Texas Ed: Comments on Education from Texas

September 23, 2007

Just because they go to a competitive doesn’t mean they have been taught to think

Filed under: Top Ten Percent Rule — texased @ 1:44 pm

Comment from a high schooler on one of my top 10% posts.

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# the top 10% rule is may very well promote diversity at the tier schools but at what cost? A kid taking advanced classes in a harder school with better test scores may be rejected strictly because he/she is not in the top 10% where as some with a much lower gpa and worse test scores may be admitted because they did not attend a very competitive school. As i go to the most competitive public school in the state and find myself only in the to 14%, i am outraged to hear that i will most likely not make it, and someone who has not worked as hard as me will automatically make it because they went to a less competitive school, regardless of how much higher my marks and test scores are. The top 10% rule is reverse discrimination at its finest.

I can’t say that I’m impressed with the quality of education this students has received based on the comments. Let’s see, she (or he) is “outraged” because others who have not worked as had as she will automatically be admitted since they attended a less competitive school.

Let’s start with “worked as hard.” Apparently the student hasn’t realized that there are people, probably within her own school, that work just as hard and have an even lower class ranking. For all she knows, the people at the less competitive schools could be working twice as hard as she does to make the top 10 percent at their schools. So students should be admitted to UT based on how many hours of homework they do?

And on what basis do you judge a school competitive? Let me guess, the commenter skipped over the data showing that the SAT was not a predictor of college success. Probably because she and her classmates have already shelled out $1000 SAT tutoring.

Maybe the number of AP classes taken and passed? We’ll how do you account for the number of students who have cheated their way to their grades?

Everybody Does It / Academic cheating is at an all-time high. Can anything be done to stop it?


Everybody Does It Academic cheating is at an all-time high. Can anything be done to stop it?

Ultimately, the commenter missed the point. Why is there only one state school that everyone wants to get into? Why haven’t we created a system of top tier schools to meet the obvious demand in Texas? I guess the commenter missed this because it involves thinking beyond your own immediate needs and goals.

So just for your information, even the Ivy League schools admit people with lower SATs and gpas in the name of geographic and ethnic diversity. For some silly reason, they think it contributes to the over education experience.

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  1. How does the commenter know the other schools are less competitive? I didn’t even consider going to a large state university – I knew it would be the wrong fit. I went to a smaller liberal arts university. I had graduated from one of the most competitive HS in the greater Houston area. I found many of the classmates that had come from smaller “less competitive” HS’s, were better prepared than I was for university.

    Comment by Kimberly — September 25, 2007 @ 10:01 pm

  2. In response:
    i will start off by agreeing with you that cheating is at an all time high but that you are making very biased and wrong assumptions about me as well as this legislation. I very much agree with your sentences “Why is there only one state school that everyone wants to get into? Why haven’t we created a system of top tier schools to meet the obvious demand in Texas?”. i completely agree that the real problem is not being addressed. This legislation is there strictly to avoid spending the money needed to deal with the desparity that exists between Texas schools.

    When i talk about working hard i am not talking about how long one does their homework or how hard they try but what they accomplish. i went to two highschools, both for two years. At my first school i was in the top 7%, and i didnt have to try hard or accomplish anything, without trying i could have easliy made the top ten percent. i then moved to an extremely competitive school. i measure how competitive a school is by how hard it is to make the top ten percent. If you take all advanced classes and make more then 2 B’s you are out of the top 5%. I went from top 7% to top 32%. I havent got a B since the move but that only got me to top 14%. Kids at those rural schools who don’t always have the opportunity need to be given the chance, but you can not ignore the fact that some of the Texas schools are so horrrible many very undeserving kids get in, and many (both from competitive and non-competitive schools) our shut out.

    You talk about the SAT. i agree that should play very little if any roll in colleges admissions but regardless it does. And i had no tutoring for the SAT, the class costed 400$ and i dont have that money. You imply that im rich as well with that comment, I am not. I’ve seen the desparity in texas highschools because ive been on both sides. To say that i am un-biased would be insincere, because i obviously am, but diversity represents more then the color of ones skin (im african american so dont call me some racist white girl)but where they come from. Because only 5% of UT is from out of the state true diversity is actually decreasing. So dont play me off as a typical rich city girl.

    Also- every class that was available at my rich school now was available at the poor rural school i went to. The majority of those kids just strictly chose not to take them, so the availablity was there.

    Comment by kodyd — November 23, 2007 @ 9:13 pm

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